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ext entry into the series on security is how to handle getting caught.

Let us face it. We are all human and we make mistakes.

Unfortunately, you only need to make one mistake, and the Law Enforcement, commonly referred to as LE on these forums can bust you.

Maybe they will wait for you to do something more serious before they nab you, but if you slip up and they feel you are worth going after, you can expect them to get you no matter where you live, with rare exception.

The main question is, should I keep an emergency lawyer fund on hand? And how much should it be.

The response I think was most appropriate for this question was the following.

Your TOR usage is being watched

Give your lawyer 50k and put him on a retainer.

Don’t have a emergency fund ‘stash’ lying around if that is what you mean…. you should already have your lawyer paid + plus extra in case he needs to post bond for you and they seize the majority of your drug funds.

Once you get arrested by LE, they can seize your money based on the assumption that it is drug related. So you need to have a lawyer paid for ahead of time. That way, in the unfortunate case that you get a visit from the feds, you have a lawyer ready to go. The agreed upon amount was around $50,000.

Next I want to talk to you about what to do in case you get interrogated by LE.

The take homes from this thread are basically.

Keep your moouth shut.

The feds are going to try all types of tactics on you to get you to admit to guilt of the crimes you are being accused of.

They will likely use the good cop, bad cop on you.

First they will tell you that they want to help you, and that they are after the big guys.

They just need your help to put away the big guys.

Do not listen to this, I have never cooperated with a good cop LE and have it end up working in my favor.

Once you admit to being guilty, you can kiss your freedom good bye.

Secondly, if you refuse to cooperate, their attitude will change to bad cop.

They will say, “OK fine, you do not want to cooperate? I tried to help but now you are going to be in a lot of trouble.

Do you have any idea what kind of charges you are facing? You are going away for a long time unless you start talking.”

They are going to try and scare you into admitting guilt.

Again, keep your mouth shut and continue to ask for a lawyer, hopefully the one you put on a $50,000 retainer prior to this happening.

Never speak without a lawyer present and never do anything you do not have to do legally.

If you have the right to remain silent, then exercise that right.

I know there are some circumstances in which you do not have that right, but unless that is the case, you are better off staying quiet.

Third, drop the attitude.

Do not argue with the cops about having nothing on you, or something for that matter.

Act scared, anxious and confused.

Act like you have no idea what is going on and that you are scared for your life.

Tell the cops they are scaring you and you want to see your lawyer because you do not know what this is about.

They need evidence, and solid evidence at that, to charge you with a crime.

They are going to try and correlate posts you made on forums, phone numbers you called, perhaps a package shipped to your home, all forms of communication, bank transfers, and so forth, until they can find a way to link you to the crime you are being accused of.

But the biggest piece of evidence will always be your willingness to admit your guilt for a lesser sentence.

When Sabu found that he was facing 112 years in federal prison, he quickly spilled everything and started working for the feds.

Again, talk to your lawyer, find out the evidence against you and only answers questions your lawyer advises you to answer, and answer them in a way your lawyer advises you to answer them.

Try and be as honest as possible with your lawyer.

Your lawyer can not and will not share any admittance of guilt you have with the prosecutors or LE, this is called Attorney-client privilege.

Please note there are a few instances where this does not apply.

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  1. Anonymous

    Overall, this is pretty sound advice. However, understand that in the united states you cannot make cash transactions of over $10K without the receiving party notifying the IRS, and that includes criminal defense lawyers. They have to flag you or they will face legal exposure and, if it were to come out that they had accepted such a large amount of currency or other tangible asset, be forced to withdrawal from your case.

    It’s also very important to understand that judicial ethics demands that your lawyer is first and foremost “an officer of the court.” How that applies in this context is that if you were to, say, have contingency assets stored in a safe inside a storage unit, you will need a third party to go and get it and bring it to the lawyer. The reason is because your lawyer would be obligated to turn that money over to the court if there were any sort of forfeiture order in place. So you need to have a third party that you can trust to arrange bail and the acquisition of counsel. Besides trusting a lawyer with 50k in cash is a really bad idea. Trust me.

  2. Anonymous

    Just to be clear, Even if you had a clean 50K to place on retainer, most reputable lawyers are going to be reticent to accept it without any kind of case that they can justify billing towards. If you have to go this route, I’d either find a bondsman that I could trust or a private investigator. Anyone but a lawyer

  3. Anonymous

    So, I may be asking a silly question, but it’s one that has stubbornly refused my queries: I understand (almost) everything that occurs, the etiquette, etc., once you have a lawyer, but my big question is: how to find the lawyer in the first place?

    I’ve had a ridiculously high occurrence of just awful circumstances in business situations and personal situations. I dethroned Murphy from the title at around 15. I have multiple legitimate, well documented, actionable cases. The experiences themselves are almost unbelievable, but the sheer amount of instances of unlawful, unethical, and deliberately malicious intent behind the actions of these parties is in seemingly normal interactions , the impacts of which are cruelly comprehensive and interminable, continue to cause undue, harm irreparable damage to my health and well-being, my relationships, down to my basic ability to function or care for myself each day. And forget any chance to pursue happiness. If I interact with another person positively and have a roof over my head that night I’d call it a win. These clearly immoral, unprofessional, and illegal acts have not been brought to justice. I know I’m making broad statements without specifics, but there are However, all attempts to find a lawyer or lawyers to help have gone unanswered or denied as a rule. So where do I start to remedy my problematic existence and get someone or someone’s playing on my team?

    The subjects and root causes of the cases in question are varied across the board, from auto sales fraud by a multi million dollar dealership, to the entire major league health system and negligence of certain doctors as understood by the private malicious, incorrect comments they put in your permanent record (that you would never see unless you send multiple written requests for your complete medical record. Order and be shocked, and enlightened.) Then there’s the guy I designed and project managed the $500K build of a house that cost $180K, and the build itself was $300K due to my connections, and that paid almost all the workers, contractor, suppliers, but not me. More infuriating is he has the money, and had it then too, but refused to pay me. Srsly wtf, Lol! And there’s so many more delightfully fubar stories to tell, but you see my point.

    So who do I need to blow around here to get the help I need? I must stress these are all very real, provable cases and not just me being “frivolous” and trying to get something I’m not owed. That said, the defendants are all in the double and triple comma club, and I’m not the only person or private, government, or regulatory entity that has been defrauded and manipulated. The full story will often reveal systemic and blithe disregard and disrespect for the laws and who is hurt by their practices, and no fear of facing consequences for their actions because of their size and thinking they are smarter than everyone else. My point is, there will be sizeable judgements and likelihood for settlements to avoid bringing their appalling behavior to the public eye.

    If you’re still reading, and I’m still making something resembling a senseful dialogue, haha, please, PLEASE I need help getting myself heard in the appropriate forum, in an effective manor so as to be deemed actionable and to get these lifelong, and immeasurable and ubiquitous effects of these things plaguing my present life. The gifts that keep on giving.

    So I’ve ranted a bit, and hopefully, made some sense. And yes, I like adjectives and adverbs. Sometimes one word doesn’t cover the whole meaning, and some words affect people differently based on definitions. I prefer to provide options for cross reference. Okey I’m done. For reals 😬

    So now wou’ve got that goin for you.
    Which is nice.


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